Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: What up, what up, what up? Welcome back to another episode of the Bad Podcast. Brad and Duane in here, my brother. Brad. Brad, we got something going on we ain't had going on in a while.
What we got going on, man?
[00:00:12] Speaker B: Very excited to have a special guest today, but I'm gonna grab chapter three out of the brand new book Prep Rep forever. Get your pre ordered copy now. There is no greatness without vision. And yet most people are walking through life blindfolded, reacting, repeating, surviving when they could be seeing, shaping and becoming. Imagination gives you feeling. Vision gives you direction. Imagination sparks excitement. Vision builds endurance. It's the internal compass that gives you steady, keeps you steady. When life throws detours, it's not based on who you've been. It's anchored in who you choose to become.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: Well, that's poetic, man. Let's get into it.
[00:00:51] Speaker C: Are you ready? Are you ready?
[00:01:08] Speaker A: What it looked like, what it be like, what it do. Back in here, another episode of the Bad Podcast. Brad and the Wayne coming to you through Facebook, through YouTube, through Instagram, wherever you're listening, wherever you're watching your podcast Catcher. We appreciate you doing that. Also, while we have your attention right here, we want you to leave a review, man, let people know about your favorite podcast, man, the bad podcast on the E2M Fitness Network, man. So make sure you guys check that out, make sure you hit that subscribe button. But Brad, let's get into the business, man. What we got going on, man?
[00:01:39] Speaker B: So this young buck on the screen, I, I, I, him and I have a lot of similarities from where we come from and, and where we're kind of projected and all that. But this guy's a, a former goaltender like myself. We play for the same organization and even today we, we still have the same trajectory in life. And this is my friend Jackson. Jackson, I want to turn it over to you. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about yourself.
[00:02:04] Speaker C: All right, well, thanks for having me.
So my name is Jackson Roth. I'm from, you know, Jamestown, New York, like Brad here, and I've kind of gotten into, come from, you know, hockey goalie to kind of stepped into this world of fitness through endurance, strength training, kind of all these different fitness challenges. I guess I've kind of found a way into these, these especially ultra endurance events somehow, I don't know. But along the way, you know, you learn a lot about yourself and, and fitness in general. So it's been a fun ride so far and love to talk about it.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, what, what, what got you do you know, like, what the, the time frame was when, you know, sort of transition from traditional sports. Because I remember when you were just a young, like a young, young buck. I. I watched you grow up and, you know, see you come through the ranks and all that. What was the time in your life where you decided, I think I'm just gonna start going for long distance running and, and, you know, biking and swimming and all the things?
[00:03:13] Speaker C: Well, I kind of, in high school, I really wanted to play, you know, like, next level hockey. You want to play junior hockey, college hockey.
So I ended up, you know, going and checking out a few junior hockey teams and kind of exploring the world of, you know, like collegiate hockey with club and even like D3.
And I love, like, training for hockey. So I would, I would train quite a bit. Like, more than anyone else on my team at least. You know, I was always doing hand eye coordination because I'm a goalie, all sorts of stretching, mobility, weight training, everything I could. But I think what I really liked about the most was the training.
So going from high school into college, I went, and I ended up coming to Merciers because I want to do rotc.
That's just a program in which you go in and you, what, you go in and do kind of army training throughout your years in college, and then once you get out, you become an army officer.
So once I got out of high school, I came here, did rotc, didn't end up playing hockey, and kind of just had nothing to do but train. And then after that, my dad kind of presented the opportunity to me to run a marathon. So we trained for and ran a marathon. I did all this research and, like, did it to the best of my ability, best of my knowledge, I would say, just because I wasn't as educated on endurance sports yet, but, you know, trained hard and went and did it. I had a lot of fun, but at the same time, after doing it, I said, I'm never doing another one of these again.
[00:05:02] Speaker B: So.
[00:05:03] Speaker C: So, you know, a little while goes by, I don't run. I'm just kind of weight training.
But then I, you know, just get the itch to train more, to do more. And my dad had this crazy idea. After only running one marathon, he came up to me and said, let's run 100 miles. And from there we just, you know, we did, did what we could, trained really hard for that one. Like, that was six months of really intense training.
Got to the start line and kind of fell on my face, but we finished, you know.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that. That's. Wow. You always need somebody to sort of hold the beacon. You know, Dwayne and I have those people in our lives, somebody that sort of tell you, hey, let's do this crazy thing and pull you in that direction, you know? And I. I have a handful of people that I found follow on social media, David Goggins being one of them, you know, and. And I see the things that they do, and I. I look from the outside looking in, and I'm like, these guys are nuts. Why in the world would they do 100 miles? Why would they do an iron man? Why would they, you know, bike from Jamestown to Orlando? Like, why do these wild things? And then it's just like, there's like something like a. Like a glowing light within. You just be like, man, if they can do it, me. And Dwayne's over.
So I want to give you a little backstory on D here. So he ain't. He ain't about the endurance game. He's a. He's a weightlifter. He's a physique guy. He gets on the stage. But we all come from something very similar in the sense that we all played sports and, you know, it's. It. Everything that we do is. Has its own difficulties presented. So I know Dwayne's dying to. To say something. Go.
[00:06:50] Speaker A: Listen, I. I was gonna. I was gonna ask you, like, whatever, so it sound like your dad is the bad influence, so, you know, we're.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: Starting the bad, good influence.
[00:07:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, we'll start there. But no, I. I think that's really cool because, you know, being young and deciding to do something extreme, you know, that. That kind of goes hand in hand, and I. And it really sets your.
Your path to be a little different, man, because you can endure certain things. You talk about. The first thing you said was, like, I fell on my face. Like, even in that. I'm sure you. There's lessons that you learn in that.
[00:07:26] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:27] Speaker A: You know, and so that. Because. How old are you?
[00:07:30] Speaker C: I'm 21.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: 21. See, I have a son that's 18, so I. I know. It's amazing to me to see how advanced, you know, the kids are, Brad. Because, like, when I was 21, you know, it was. It was like the. The contests were a little different when I was 21.
Yeah, the contests were a little different. The things I did were a little different. But. But I also also smirked a lot because, you know, Brad is like, yeah. Seeing those guys make me feel like I want to do it. And I was like, yeah, seeing those guys make me feel like I don't want to do it. I'm not, not running nowhere, dad be like, yo, let's run 100 miles. Like we could drive 100 miles. I'm down 100.
I'm not running, man. But no, man, that, that's super cool, man. So I do want to ask, you know, you say you are RTC and with host to be an officer, you know, protection or whatever. To be an officer.
Is this for the Army? Navy? What, what service?
[00:08:27] Speaker C: For the army.
[00:08:28] Speaker A: For the army.
[00:08:29] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah.
[00:08:29] Speaker B: All right.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: Because I'm in Fayetteville, which is, you know, Fort Bragg.
[00:08:32] Speaker C: Oh yeah, yeah.
[00:08:33] Speaker A: One of the biggest army bases. You might, you might end up around this way. But, but knowing that, knowing, you know, having, you know, school, rtc, you know, what, how does that affect your, your training, you know, when it comes to the event or whatever? How do you balance that? You know, as a young man, you know, when everybody else want to go hang out, like, like what's, what's your approach to that?
[00:08:58] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, it's, it takes a lot of time management I think, especially when I'm at school. Like there's, you're not really wasting time during the day. I don't like, my roommate likes to take naps. I don't really like to take naps.
[00:09:14] Speaker A: Your roommate sounds like me. That's how that was me in college.
[00:09:19] Speaker C: I like to get it all done, then sleep. That's why.
So I kind of just throughout my day, you know, there'd be little windows. I remember when I was training for the hundred, there's like little windows where I'd have like an hour, I'd go get a few miles in.
Then late at night, sometimes I'd have to run. You know, it just is what it is. Sometimes you're cutting back on sleep, but kind of just what you have to do when you're training for these big events because they do require so much time, so much training and you know, just, just silly things like that though. You kind of figure out how to manage all those things.
One thing I do a lot, I don't have it up right now, but usually I have a whiteboard right here where I'll just write out my day, have a plan.
Almost hour by hour. I break it down into 30 minute chunks I think actually.
So yeah, just kind of plan everything out and have a plan of attack for, for the day. Just being intentional like that, dude.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: I, I, I, I think it's very impressive that at 20 year 21 years old, you have a whiteboard with a schedule and you can manage time like that. Because like Dwayne said, when I was 21, there was not a chance that I was breaking my day down like that. Like, whatever, wherever the wind blew me, that's that, that's where I was going. Whoever gave me a call and said, hey, this is where we're going on Friday night. Like that's what we did doing. So I'm very impressed that you have a good head on your shoulders and you know, you're doing the, these, these things that are filling your cup at such a young age. Because it took me until I was probably 26, 27, 28, even, even getting closer to 30 years old before I started to really manage my time. Like you are at 21 and, and you know, just do things that are to, to fill your self development cup. But I think one of the biggest things that you have going for you and I'm not gonna, like, my dad is my biggest supporter, my mom is my biggest supporter, and I'll never knock him. But your dad, I mean, he, he, he, he got a taste of, you know, the big leagues and you know, he's been around the fitness game for a long time.
You know, when you have somebody like that in your life, that's a beacon and it gives you, it gives you something to chase. And I want to talk about your dad and you know, what kind of influence he's had on your life and take it from there.
[00:11:42] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure.
You know, seeing my dad growing up, like work out, work hard and you know, even like be focused with your diet, like, that plays such a huge role in my life coming up, like kind of gives, sets the standard for me, I think. So I know what I should be doing when I'm, you know, if I go work out, like, I'm not sitting there on my phone, like, I'm probably working pretty hard. And if we're eating dinner, like, I'm gonna avoid foods that are, you know, like super bad for you. I'm gonna try and pick the best option. Even if we're out at a restaurant or something, I'm gonna try and pick something that'll, you know, not make me feel like crap and you know, just little things like that.
My dad, he does train a lot. He trains really hard and it's kind of even, even not like outside of fitness, trying to live up to the kind of man he is and try to, you know, display those traits.
I guess that so, you know, kinetics Combat sports. He owns a MMA gym.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: Shout it out, man. What's the Instagram handle? Facebook. Shout it out, man.
[00:13:01] Speaker C: It's Kinetics. Bjj.
So we've been kind of doing our thing there. We're trying to, I'm doing all sorts of media stuff.
Just got a camera, so I'm taking all sorts of video.
But, you know, we're, we're trying to build that up a little bit. We got a little combat fitness class going on there. So that's kind of like a high intensity interval training class.
But yeah, you know, it's just, just seeing him work hard on that is kind of inspiring to me too.
So it's not only like fitness and diet and everything, it's like career and it's the community of the gym.
So all those things that he's working hard at really inspires me.
But yeah, for sure. I think it's had a huge role in my, in my life so far. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:13:54] Speaker B: And then that community piece like you talked about, man, you know, when you get surrounded by the, the right people, right folks. Dwayne and I talk about this almost every single week. You know, you kind of become what you are or what you surround yourself with. And you know, when I was in college, man, I, I hung out with certain groups of people and they were doing certain sorts of activities and I wasn't doing the things that you were doing. And I, I've, you know, I've opened up on that and I won't go down that path today. But, you know, you surround yourself with certain communities and I know a handful of the guys that you, you train with and the people that you train with down at Kinetics, and some of them are my good friends and I wouldn't mess with one of them because I, I ain't a fight, I ain't a fighter like that, more of a lover. But I've, I've seen some of the, I've seen some of the folks that you guys train with and you know, I, I know what kind of dudes you guys are, and it's just really cool to see, you know, from the outside looking in, you know, a young man like yourself and you know, your dad, he sort of set the bar and showed you the way. Now, now you're becoming your own man. And now you're, you're, you're leading for others. And I think that's the important thing here, is that you're out there and you're setting the example for those following. And I'm, I'm 10. Oh, man. Now I'm dating myself. I'm. I'm about.
Let's see here, 17 years older than you, which is just bizarre.
17 years old, but. But you're somebody that I look up to because I see you out there doing the 100 mile, boy. I see you doing the kinetic stuff. I see you doing all this. All this fun in our world, fun and exciting events. But you're somebody that I aspire to be like. And, you know, be very proud of that because you're paving the path for a lot of people. And, you know, even the people that aren't doing what. What you set out to do, there's still a lot of people that aspire to be like you. So be.
[00:15:34] Speaker C: Be.
[00:15:35] Speaker B: Be very proud of that.
[00:15:37] Speaker A: Cool. Hey, so I. I have a question, man, because a lot of this is. This is important when you. You have goals and you're ambitious and all of those things.
So what. What is something that.
What. What's something that you want to do that you hadn't done yet? Like, give me one of the either runs activities, something that's on your list. I mean, I can't say bucket list because you are 21 years old. Like, you're far away from the bucket.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: But what.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: What's something. A challenge or something that you haven't done yet, but you want to do?
[00:16:11] Speaker C: Oh, boy. I have a lot of them, but Nice, man. The one that pops the head, the one. The one I've been thinking about a lot lately is the Iron Man. The full distance Iron Man.
So I've done a half distance, a 70.3, but something about. I love that experience, the 70.3, that's so fun to train for, so fun to run, but the full distance is a whole different beast. Like, you wouldn't think. You would think it'd be similar to 70.3, but from everything I hear, it's a lot more intense, a lot more training, and it's going to be a lot harder. So that kind of excites me right now, especially getting into the other disciplines, like the swim in the bike. I definitely need a lot of work there. So I think it'd be super interesting to hop into the Iron Man.
Yeah, I was recently we were thinking about doing Ironman Arizona. It's coming up here in a few months, but I don't think that's gonna happen. But we'll see.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: How many months away is it?
[00:17:16] Speaker C: I think it's two.
[00:17:19] Speaker B: Two months?
[00:17:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Have you been swimming?
[00:17:23] Speaker C: A little bit. I've been in the pool. Last week, I only got two workouts in. In the pool. I did about four and a half hours on the bike.
Yeah. So nothing too crazy yet, but, hey.
[00:17:37] Speaker B: Man, do it while you're young. If you can train for that sucker in two months, man, if, if anybody could do it, I think you could do it. I, I will say so. I've done the full. Which. Which everybody knows, but it is a different bear and I am retired. Unless my kids pull me out of retirement when they get to be of age.
Because I, for me, Jackson, I would love to do another one. You know how the, the vibe is, the camaraderie, all the things like the energy is through the roof. But for me, the training posed is one of the biggest issues. I'm a busy guy. I got a family, I got, you know, a wife and things like that. And when I was on the road, Saturdays for 8, 9, 10 hours training, between the, the bike, the run, the swim, you know, that just poses too much for me.
So I am retired. But I think, man, if you, if you can pull it off in two months, do it. And if not, what I, what I say is, click it, man. Find yourself your iron, man, and go for it.
[00:18:34] Speaker C: For sure.
[00:18:35] Speaker B: I'm.
[00:18:36] Speaker C: I'm looking into it. We'll see.
[00:18:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:38] Speaker A: Nice. Nice. All right, Brad, anything else you want to cover before we start transition?
[00:18:43] Speaker B: I want to ask one question and then we can wrap this up. We can't. We. We keep our podcast pretty short. Just attention span in 2025 is minimal.
[00:18:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: What, what, what keeps you motivated and, or disciplined? Especially being a 21 year old in college, like, surrounded by people that, doing whatever. I, I, you know, sleeping, you know, after night activities, whatever. What's, what's something that keeps you driven? You know, being surrounded by that.
[00:19:19] Speaker C: You know, it's.
Sometimes I'm not, I'm not motivated at all. You know, it's one of those things where I would rather go hang out with my friends on a Friday night rather than get my few miles in, but a lot of times it's just discipline. I know I'm gonna feel better if I go do what I need to do, and I, you know, maintain that narrow path because I know if I step too far off the path, I'm gonna have a bad, you know, next day, next week, whatever. Because if you get too far off of that, you know, discipline path, it's easy to slip and keep slipping and slipping.
So when I'm really, like, I find that when I'm really chasing ambitious goals, I'm much more likely to stay on a super narrow, like, disciplined path, and that's what I really like about these big events.
It's. It's not like, even though it takes so much of my time, I think that it. It really makes me a better person. It makes me better even in, like, school. I get better grades when I'm trained for these things for some odd reason, but, yeah, you know, just. Just kind of maintaining that discipline, knowing that I'm gonna feel better if I do do the hard thing and I do the right thing.
And at the same time, like, I definitely do spend time with my friends. I do, you know, go out and hang out and stuff, so I think there's a little bit of balance there. But also knowing that my workout, my diet, my discipline kind of comes first, so.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: That's awesome, man.
I'll say. The diet was not something that I knew about when I was 21. I.
I mean, I had the full pass at the. At the cafeteria. Boy, I was. I was eating chicken tenders every day, man. Get me a Pepsi or Mountain Dew every day, man.
[00:21:18] Speaker A: Listen.
[00:21:18] Speaker B: And there's probably a reason why I was, you know, overweight and, you know, all the things.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: So I wasn't overweight in college, but I. I definitely did not eat well.
[00:21:28] Speaker B: At all a little bit.
[00:21:33] Speaker A: Man. All right, man. So we have a segment, our podcast, we called the do you know or did you know moment.
So I want you to be thinking of something that you may not have said publicly. Something, people that. Something, if somebody watched this that knows you, they would not know about you. Something that is not criminal unless the time has passed. But it's only 21, so the statute of limitation, unless you did it at 5, would not apply.
Gonna play this video, give you time to think. This. It could be a fact. It could be a, you know, life experience. Something that people don't know about you. It'll play. I mean, we'll ask you right after this video. It's a quick video, so go ahead and think on it. Here we go.
Do you know?
All right, video is over. So what is the do you know did you know moment about Mr. Jackson.
[00:22:25] Speaker C: Huh?
Well, I'm really good at juggling.
[00:22:31] Speaker A: Really?
[00:22:32] Speaker C: Brad. Brad might know this one.
It's kind of my hidden talent. I whip out every now and again, so I'm pretty good.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:22:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I respect that.
[00:22:44] Speaker C: I wish I had some balls. I'd show you, but, man, go off the ground, off the wall.
[00:22:52] Speaker A: That's the hand eye hockey thing, right?
[00:22:55] Speaker B: That's That's a goaltender thing, man. That's one of my hidden talents as well. Just juggling.
[00:23:01] Speaker A: I am. I am jealous of you both because I. Yeah, it is not a talent I have, but I always wanted it. I thought it was so cool, but. No, that's really cool, man. We. That's a good one. That's a good one for sure. So I need you to record yourself juggling, send it to Brad so we can throw it in on one of our posts.
Maybe Brad, you do it too, man. It'll be a fun little clip.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: Hey, not a bad idea.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Good stuff, man. Well, listen, we appreciate you coming on, brother. It's been a pleasure to meet you. And, yeah, definitely inspired by you and want to encourage you, man, to. To. To keep doing your thing. Which I don't have to say that, because you're. You're driven, your focus, and I love it.
And, yeah, super excited. So, Brad, close us out, my brother.
[00:23:48] Speaker B: Yes, sir. Hey, guys. Be uncommon. Don't be afraid to be different. Be afraid to be like everybody else.
[00:23:55] Speaker A: Till next time, y', all, we out of here.
